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	<title>Comments on: How Do We Contend Without Being Contentious?</title>
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		<title>By: Latter-day Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187683</link>
		<dc:creator>Latter-day Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is certainly a question that could have a variety of correct answers based on the situations in which you find yourself. 

I tend to lean toward the "don't cause offense" crowd. Perhaps this is not a good thing, but I can't help but remember that old CS Lewis quote: "It's very easy to break eggs without making omelets."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is certainly a question that could have a variety of correct answers based on the situations in which you find yourself. </p>
<p>I tend to lean toward the &#8220;don&#8217;t cause offense&#8221; crowd. Perhaps this is not a good thing, but I can&#8217;t help but remember that old CS Lewis quote: &#8220;It&#8217;s very easy to break eggs without making omelets.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187679</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;True prophets do offend the mainstream&lt;/em&gt;

However, on the other hand, "offending the mainstream" does not usually equal being a prophet.  Too many people think they have the prophetic calling when all they are is rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>True prophets do offend the mainstream</em></p>
<p>However, on the other hand, &#8220;offending the mainstream&#8221; does not usually equal being a prophet.  Too many people think they have the prophetic calling when all they are is rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Zen</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187676</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was the keystone comment, in my not-so-humble opinion.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Now, I can be assertive about my beliefs without belittling others with contrary beliefs - particularly if my primary focus is on understanding how the other person’s beliefs actually might be able to help me modify or understand my own better. &lt;b&gt;Once I say, “There’s nothing I can learn from you,” contention is almost a foregone conclusion.

If the other person holds that same view, I can avoid contention only by being willing to walk away without “winning”. I’m fine with that.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is why I strenuously avoid debates with Evangelicals - by and large that is the opinion they hold of us, at least in my experience. We should be as bold as possible, but only insofar as it is undeniably mixed with genuine love and compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the keystone comment, in my not-so-humble opinion.</p>
<blockquote><p> Now, I can be assertive about my beliefs without belittling others with contrary beliefs - particularly if my primary focus is on understanding how the other person’s beliefs actually might be able to help me modify or understand my own better. <b>Once I say, “There’s nothing I can learn from you,” contention is almost a foregone conclusion.</p>
<p>If the other person holds that same view, I can avoid contention only by being willing to walk away without “winning”. I’m fine with that.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>This is why I strenuously avoid debates with Evangelicals - by and large that is the opinion they hold of us, at least in my experience. We should be as bold as possible, but only insofar as it is undeniably mixed with genuine love and compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187658</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: excellent point. Boldness and overbearance are probably not different degrees on the same scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: excellent point. Boldness and overbearance are probably not different degrees on the same scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those waving signs depicting aborted fetuses and stepping on garments in April and October would definitely agree that prophets offend the mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those waving signs depicting aborted fetuses and stepping on garments in April and October would definitely agree that prophets offend the mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark IV</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187654</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Alma 38:12: “Use boldness, but not overbearance.”&lt;/em&gt;

I can think of another angle on this verse.  

I think it is inaccurate to see boldness and non-overbearance as opposites, or as choices which exclude one another.  The opposite of boldness is not pushiness, but cowardice.  So, if we fail to witness or assert a position because we are afraid, the admonition to be bold is appropriate, but I think we are still under obligation to present the message in away that makes it likely our hearers will listen long enough to understand it.  To interpret this verse as giving license to be overbearing is an example of wresting the scriptures, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Alma 38:12: “Use boldness, but not overbearance.”</em></p>
<p>I can think of another angle on this verse.  </p>
<p>I think it is inaccurate to see boldness and non-overbearance as opposites, or as choices which exclude one another.  The opposite of boldness is not pushiness, but cowardice.  So, if we fail to witness or assert a position because we are afraid, the admonition to be bold is appropriate, but I think we are still under obligation to present the message in away that makes it likely our hearers will listen long enough to understand it.  To interpret this verse as giving license to be overbearing is an example of wresting the scriptures, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187651</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, The difference between contend (verb) and contention (noun) seems tangential since the question is on how to avoid being contentious (adjective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, The difference between contend (verb) and contention (noun) seems tangential since the question is on how to avoid being contentious (adjective).</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/how-do-we-contend-without-being-contentious/#comment-187646</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you, Jamie H., but you're flat wrong.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you, Jamie H., but you&#8217;re flat wrong.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imo, a large part of "contentiousness" is that understanding is not the central aim - that the motivating factor for one party (or both) is "winning the argument".  It's a fine distinction to draw between that and "contending", since there obviously are times when we should defend the Church and each other against distortions and misrepresentations.  

I have found that the biggest difference for me personally is maintaining a calmness in approach and a mindset that focuses on understanding instead of belittling.  I also have found that anger and offense lead inexorably to contentiousness, so if I can avoid taking things personally I can "contend" (engage different viewpoints) without being contentious (attacking the person expressing the different viewpoint).  

Iow, I can be assertive about my beliefs without belittling others with contrary beliefs - particularly if my primary focus is on understanding how the other person's beliefs actually might be able to help me modify or understand myown better.  Once I say, "There's nothing I can learn from you," contention is almost a foregone conclusion.  

If the other person holds that same view, I can avoid contention only by being willing to walk away without "winning".  I'm fine with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imo, a large part of &#8220;contentiousness&#8221; is that understanding is not the central aim - that the motivating factor for one party (or both) is &#8220;winning the argument&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a fine distinction to draw between that and &#8220;contending&#8221;, since there obviously are times when we should defend the Church and each other against distortions and misrepresentations.  </p>
<p>I have found that the biggest difference for me personally is maintaining a calmness in approach and a mindset that focuses on understanding instead of belittling.  I also have found that anger and offense lead inexorably to contentiousness, so if I can avoid taking things personally I can &#8220;contend&#8221; (engage different viewpoints) without being contentious (attacking the person expressing the different viewpoint).  </p>
<p>Iow, I can be assertive about my beliefs without belittling others with contrary beliefs - particularly if my primary focus is on understanding how the other person&#8217;s beliefs actually might be able to help me modify or understand myown better.  Once I say, &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing I can learn from you,&#8221; contention is almost a foregone conclusion.  </p>
<p>If the other person holds that same view, I can avoid contention only by being willing to walk away without &#8220;winning&#8221;.  I&#8217;m fine with that.</p>
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		<title>By: John C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mind that notion that prophets occasionally offend.  It's the assumption that I am prophetic because I offend that strikes me as wrongheaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind that notion that prophets occasionally offend.  It&#8217;s the assumption that I am prophetic because I offend that strikes me as wrongheaded.</p>
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